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		<title>Comment on Parex or we&#8217;ll see a swindle. Again. by gudirs</title>
		<link>http://blog.janisberzins.lv/?p=520&#038;cpage=1#comment-5158</link>
		<dc:creator>gudirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 05:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the lying politicians, I think there are few aspects to consider here:
a) Parex case probably is not the most normal in the world, but the basic idea is the same as it is going on everywhere, i believe (state aid to large banks - very common scenario, these days, right). The mechanics of the deal, state acquiring stake in Parex, might not have been the brightest, but generally the idea is fine. 
b) All the process being clean... I actually believe that there are very few if any &#039;unclean&#039; issues, nevertheless average Latvian politician would never willingly perform transparent disclosures of the process. I believe it is mentality or something, Latvian politician can&#039;t be expected to be transparent. I think the politicians are just willing to play around various ideas/speculations, because the elections are approaching and it Parex is probably going to be and interesting argument. Meanwhile we should not forget that saying stupid things in public by Latvian politicians may also underline a simple fact that they actually ARE stupid ;) I think it is often seen in cooperation with state institutions that people operate in certain mindset, which is not necessarily the correct one. 
c) regarding the recovery of money - I already said what I think. Declarations from politicians who made the initial investment, that it will be fully recovered - meaningless words. I would assume that based on world experience, everyone should have understood in the very beginning that saving financial sectors means costs. The amount of the actual costs, vs alternative scenario (letting Parex go down) is another type of discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the lying politicians, I think there are few aspects to consider here:<br />
a) Parex case probably is not the most normal in the world, but the basic idea is the same as it is going on everywhere, i believe (state aid to large banks &#8211; very common scenario, these days, right). The mechanics of the deal, state acquiring stake in Parex, might not have been the brightest, but generally the idea is fine.<br />
b) All the process being clean&#8230; I actually believe that there are very few if any &#8216;unclean&#8217; issues, nevertheless average Latvian politician would never willingly perform transparent disclosures of the process. I believe it is mentality or something, Latvian politician can&#8217;t be expected to be transparent. I think the politicians are just willing to play around various ideas/speculations, because the elections are approaching and it Parex is probably going to be and interesting argument. Meanwhile we should not forget that saying stupid things in public by Latvian politicians may also underline a simple fact that they actually ARE stupid <img src='http://www.janisberzins.lv/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think it is often seen in cooperation with state institutions that people operate in certain mindset, which is not necessarily the correct one.<br />
c) regarding the recovery of money &#8211; I already said what I think. Declarations from politicians who made the initial investment, that it will be fully recovered &#8211; meaningless words. I would assume that based on world experience, everyone should have understood in the very beginning that saving financial sectors means costs. The amount of the actual costs, vs alternative scenario (letting Parex go down) is another type of discussion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parex or we&#8217;ll see a swindle. Again. by Janis</title>
		<link>http://blog.janisberzins.lv/?p=520&#038;cpage=1#comment-5157</link>
		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Gudirs,

Sorry I am answering later than the two days I said. Let me start congratulating you by answering as an adult, and not as usually in Latvia. Have you perceived that, usually, when there are some altercation, even in the academic field, the opponent tries to disqualify who said the matter in question, in order to make his/her argument more powerful? Have you perceived that, in many cases, the person trying to disqualify his/her opponent usually doesn&#039;t have anything to say. It is somehow like Delfi, Apollo and other portal&#039;s mental commentators do. I am not saying that&#039;s your case...

Anyway, I don&#039;t think the people caring for Parex now is guilt about anything. Let&#039;s say, for example, Nils Melngailis. I am truly convinced he is a nice man, doing a nice job. I am convinced, he may have a similar opinion than you in this matter. And I see things as you do too.

My point is that politicians are lying. They tried to sell the idea that Parex&#039;s case is the most normal in the world. That all the process is clean. And that the state is going to receive all the money back. Even some of my colleagues are basing their analysis on this hope. So, nothing to do with people who is in Parex now, like Melngailis. 

And about not providing calculations, there are some things that we don&#039;t need to calculate. Or, to calculate, we need real variables, to not say nonsense. However, History exists to help us understand what happened in the past, to try to foresee the future. The similar experience in this cases, (i.e. Latin America), shows that I do not need to calculate to make the affirmations I did. But about the Delfi and other portals&#039; commentators, I think most of them are sick people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Gudirs,</p>
<p>Sorry I am answering later than the two days I said. Let me start congratulating you by answering as an adult, and not as usually in Latvia. Have you perceived that, usually, when there are some altercation, even in the academic field, the opponent tries to disqualify who said the matter in question, in order to make his/her argument more powerful? Have you perceived that, in many cases, the person trying to disqualify his/her opponent usually doesn&#8217;t have anything to say. It is somehow like Delfi, Apollo and other portal&#8217;s mental commentators do. I am not saying that&#8217;s your case&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t think the people caring for Parex now is guilt about anything. Let&#8217;s say, for example, Nils Melngailis. I am truly convinced he is a nice man, doing a nice job. I am convinced, he may have a similar opinion than you in this matter. And I see things as you do too.</p>
<p>My point is that politicians are lying. They tried to sell the idea that Parex&#8217;s case is the most normal in the world. That all the process is clean. And that the state is going to receive all the money back. Even some of my colleagues are basing their analysis on this hope. So, nothing to do with people who is in Parex now, like Melngailis. </p>
<p>And about not providing calculations, there are some things that we don&#8217;t need to calculate. Or, to calculate, we need real variables, to not say nonsense. However, History exists to help us understand what happened in the past, to try to foresee the future. The similar experience in this cases, (i.e. Latin America), shows that I do not need to calculate to make the affirmations I did. But about the Delfi and other portals&#8217; commentators, I think most of them are sick people.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parex or we&#8217;ll see a swindle. Again. by Janis</title>
		<link>http://blog.janisberzins.lv/?p=520&#038;cpage=1#comment-4925</link>
		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 14:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Gudirs,

Thank you for coming back. Sorry I just read your comment today. I was in New York giving a lecture at New York University about Latvia&#039;s current economic situation. I&#039;ll answer you in the next two days.

I just added the option to follow comments. It is between the comments&#039; box and the captcha.

Janis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Gudirs,</p>
<p>Thank you for coming back. Sorry I just read your comment today. I was in New York giving a lecture at New York University about Latvia&#8217;s current economic situation. I&#8217;ll answer you in the next two days.</p>
<p>I just added the option to follow comments. It is between the comments&#8217; box and the captcha.</p>
<p>Janis</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parex or we&#8217;ll see a swindle. Again. by gudirs</title>
		<link>http://blog.janisberzins.lv/?p=520&#038;cpage=1#comment-4871</link>
		<dc:creator>gudirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 11:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>e-mail notification of new comments would be beneficial, so we could have some discussion. My comment was largely aimed towards:
&quot;As a result, just a very, very, very, tiny part of all that money will be recovered. Or, even worst. May be nothing.&quot;

I do not know the details of Nomura/government/Bank&#039;s management plans, but my understanding of reasonable government exit would be:
a) healthy part of the bank, which is &#039;normal&#039; retail/corporate operation with reasonable business model, etc., which could be sold in foreseeable future for the amount invested by the government, largely equity i think;
b) rotten part of the bank, which should be worked out over reasonable period of time in line with real estate market possible recovery, etc. (say 5,7,10 years). For this part I would assume the workout strategy should incorporate reasonable ratio of faster cash vs. more recovery. Saying that the rotten bank is worth 0, is the same as saying that Swedbanks huge non-performing mortgage portfolio is worth 0, etc. It would definitely involve some loss. The extent of it unknown to me. 

To summarise I would like to point out, that I do not claim that government will get full investment back. I doubt that anyone acutally believed it, when the investment was made, and historically/now government worldwide understand that there is certain price to be paid if you choose to save the financial sector (to save or not to save, would probably be focus of separate discussion). I just wanted to emphasize that providing no calculations/reasonable estimates and just claiming that whole investment will be lost does not make any more sense than people in Delfi writing comments, that &#039;large salaries are evil, and all people that get large salaries should be hanged&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>e-mail notification of new comments would be beneficial, so we could have some discussion. My comment was largely aimed towards:<br />
&#8220;As a result, just a very, very, very, tiny part of all that money will be recovered. Or, even worst. May be nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not know the details of Nomura/government/Bank&#8217;s management plans, but my understanding of reasonable government exit would be:<br />
a) healthy part of the bank, which is &#8216;normal&#8217; retail/corporate operation with reasonable business model, etc., which could be sold in foreseeable future for the amount invested by the government, largely equity i think;<br />
b) rotten part of the bank, which should be worked out over reasonable period of time in line with real estate market possible recovery, etc. (say 5,7,10 years). For this part I would assume the workout strategy should incorporate reasonable ratio of faster cash vs. more recovery. Saying that the rotten bank is worth 0, is the same as saying that Swedbanks huge non-performing mortgage portfolio is worth 0, etc. It would definitely involve some loss. The extent of it unknown to me. </p>
<p>To summarise I would like to point out, that I do not claim that government will get full investment back. I doubt that anyone acutally believed it, when the investment was made, and historically/now government worldwide understand that there is certain price to be paid if you choose to save the financial sector (to save or not to save, would probably be focus of separate discussion). I just wanted to emphasize that providing no calculations/reasonable estimates and just claiming that whole investment will be lost does not make any more sense than people in Delfi writing comments, that &#8216;large salaries are evil, and all people that get large salaries should be hanged&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parex or we&#8217;ll see a swindle. Again. by sapņu tulks</title>
		<link>http://blog.janisberzins.lv/?p=520&#038;cpage=1#comment-3577</link>
		<dc:creator>sapņu tulks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atis Kampars ir fu..ing deucebag. period!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atis Kampars ir fu..ing deucebag. period!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parex or we&#8217;ll see a swindle. Again. by Janis Berzins</title>
		<link>http://blog.janisberzins.lv/?p=520&#038;cpage=1#comment-3550</link>
		<dc:creator>Janis Berzins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gudirs! A quick search of your IP has shown you are from Parex Bank:

inetnum:        193.178.176.0 - 193.178.183.255
netname:        PAREX
descr:          Parex Bank Corporation
descr:          Riga, Latvia
country:        LV

I think I don&#039;t need to say anything more. However, I&#039;ll do it.

First, I don&#039;t call myself an economist. I have a bachelor degree in Economics, and a Master in Economics. Please note that we are talking about Economics and not about financing, or marketing, or banking sciences. But Economics, with a big &#039;E&#039;, in the sense used by Friedman, Hayek, Stigler, Keynes, Adam Smith, Schumpeter, among others.

Second, let&#039;s see your argument&#039;s rationality: you say weak conclusion for somebody calling himself an economist. Doing this, you are trying to say that the arguments are weak, at the same time you&#039;re trying to say I&#039;m a bad economist, thus my arguments are weak, forming a circular argumentation. Let&#039;s break it. Not only my argument is correct, as I am a good economist. On contrary, you, a Parex worker, would not be trying to mine my arguments. It is exactly because you know I am right (or maybe because you believe in Santa Claus), you are so aggressively trying to undermine my argumentation, which yes, is not brilliant. Any individual with basic knowledge of Economic History could have the same insight. The problem, however, is not about its weakness or not. But that it is true, and that&#039;s why you&#039;re so anger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gudirs! A quick search of your IP has shown you are from Parex Bank:</p>
<p>inetnum:        193.178.176.0 &#8211; 193.178.183.255<br />
netname:        PAREX<br />
descr:          Parex Bank Corporation<br />
descr:          Riga, Latvia<br />
country:        LV</p>
<p>I think I don&#8217;t need to say anything more. However, I&#8217;ll do it.</p>
<p>First, I don&#8217;t call myself an economist. I have a bachelor degree in Economics, and a Master in Economics. Please note that we are talking about Economics and not about financing, or marketing, or banking sciences. But Economics, with a big &#8216;E&#8217;, in the sense used by Friedman, Hayek, Stigler, Keynes, Adam Smith, Schumpeter, among others.</p>
<p>Second, let&#8217;s see your argument&#8217;s rationality: you say weak conclusion for somebody calling himself an economist. Doing this, you are trying to say that the arguments are weak, at the same time you&#8217;re trying to say I&#8217;m a bad economist, thus my arguments are weak, forming a circular argumentation. Let&#8217;s break it. Not only my argument is correct, as I am a good economist. On contrary, you, a Parex worker, would not be trying to mine my arguments. It is exactly because you know I am right (or maybe because you believe in Santa Claus), you are so aggressively trying to undermine my argumentation, which yes, is not brilliant. Any individual with basic knowledge of Economic History could have the same insight. The problem, however, is not about its weakness or not. But that it is true, and that&#8217;s why you&#8217;re so anger.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parex or we&#8217;ll see a swindle. Again. by Andriuka</title>
		<link>http://blog.janisberzins.lv/?p=520&#038;cpage=1#comment-3543</link>
		<dc:creator>Andriuka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Mr. Gudirs. What should be YOUR conclusion on that? I completly agree with Mr. Berzins. He knows what is talking about.
Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Mr. Gudirs. What should be YOUR conclusion on that? I completly agree with Mr. Berzins. He knows what is talking about.<br />
Regards.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parex or we&#8217;ll see a swindle. Again. by gudirs</title>
		<link>http://blog.janisberzins.lv/?p=520&#038;cpage=1#comment-3542</link>
		<dc:creator>gudirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>surprisingly weak conclusions for somebody calling himself an economist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>surprisingly weak conclusions for somebody calling himself an economist</p>
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		<title>Comment on Latvia at crossroads: Scenarios and Strategies for Socio-Economic Development by Andre</title>
		<link>http://blog.janisberzins.lv/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-2598</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations for such a high quality conference. New ideas and possibilities. Hope to attend more events like that in Latvia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations for such a high quality conference. New ideas and possibilities. Hope to attend more events like that in Latvia.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Latvia at crossroads: Scenarios and Strategies for Socio-Economic Development by Janis</title>
		<link>http://blog.janisberzins.lv/?p=497&#038;cpage=1#comment-2551</link>
		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Veiko! The idea is to charge business people a small amount, to help us to financing the conference. Our budget is really very tight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Veiko! The idea is to charge business people a small amount, to help us to financing the conference. Our budget is really very tight.</p>
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